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Davros
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:25 pm |
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Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:42 pm Posts: 457 Location: Brisbane
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Boghammer wrote: Took money under false pretences for a majority of his time with us & only shone in last 6 months. Load of shit. Without Lucas we would have been relegated 2 seasons back and possibly still be there. Superb captain and part of our best defence for ages. Will be bit lost without him. False pretences my arse. Did he say he would score heaps of goals?? More like West Ham gave him the false pretence of signing all these players.
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Boghammer
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:45 am |
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Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:07 pm Posts: 72 Location: Rockhampton
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Disagree again, I'm afraid. Sure he was part of a great TEAM effort to avoid the drop, but I don't think that you could say that it would have definitely happened if he wasn't there, just as you can't say (unless you are s Sheffscum supporter) that Tevez was the sole reason we stayed up. From that next season until about half way through this last season, he was crap. Slow & easily beaten unless he kicked the shit out of his opponent. Was constantly guilty of penalty standard challenges that were often not given & should have been sent off at least once. I don't recall mentioning any comment re scoring goals at any stage. Granted, I agree with your captaincy comment. He does do it well, but in my opinion, to spurn what was reported to be a good contract offer from us, not get any response elsewhere, then get his manager to make out that he has been waiting for us to complete proceedings, just proves to me what a mercenary the prick is.
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Tj
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:21 pm |
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Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:43 am Posts: 136 Location: Melbourne
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Davros wrote: More like West Ham gave him the false pretence of signing all these players. Did you support Lucas Neill before West Ham?
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TONY64
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:00 pm |
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Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:42 pm Posts: 168 Location: robina. gold coast.
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Boghammer wrote: Disagree again, I'm afraid. Sure he was part of a great TEAM effort to avoid the drop, but I don't think that you could say that it would have definitely happened if he wasn't there, just as you can't say (unless you are s Sheffscum supporter) that Tevez was the sole reason we stayed up. From that next season until about half way through this last season, he was crap. Slow & easily beaten unless he kicked the shit out of his opponent. Was constantly guilty of penalty standard challenges that were often not given & should have been sent off at least once. I don't recall mentioning any comment re scoring goals at any stage. Granted, I agree with your captaincy comment. He does do it well, but in my opinion, to spurn what was reported to be a good contract offer from us, not get any response elsewhere, then get his manager to make out that he has been waiting for us to complete proceedings, just proves to me what a mercenary the prick is. you are spot on with that, if he thinks he can do better then fuck him off. we can do better then him anyway. 
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Davros
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:12 pm |
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Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:42 pm Posts: 457 Location: Brisbane
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Tj wrote: Davros wrote: More like West Ham gave him the false pretence of signing all these players. Did you support Lucas Neill before West Ham? I've supported West Ham since I was about 10 or 12 in the early 80's. I've supported Lucas since knowing of him in the Aussie side including while at Blackburn. Why?
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Davros
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:27 pm |
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Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:42 pm Posts: 457 Location: Brisbane
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Boghammer wrote: Disagree again, I'm afraid. Sure he was part of a great TEAM effort to avoid the drop, but I don't think that you could say that it would have definitely happened if he wasn't there Most probably as he took the role of reuniting the team which Reo-Coker couldn't do. Also was integral to defence, team spirit and goal assists against Arse and other LBM scored. No saying he did it all just that without him 99% sure relegated., just as you can't say (unless you are s Sheffscum supporter) that Tevez was the sole reason we stayed up. From that next season until about half way through this last season, he was crap. Disagree. Not brilliant but still did his job mostly and still better than any RB we've had that I can remember. Slow & easily beaten unless he kicked the shit out of his opponent. He's not easily beaten. Beaten for pace at times but not easily beaten as he may kick or hold the player but everyone does that. And if you don't you are naive. And if it's pace you want, we played Faubert there. Useless. Was constantly guilty of penalty standard challenges that were often not given And that's his fault? A lot of holding back is not given although it should be. Nonetheless, so long as doesn't give away penalty, what's the problem?& should have been sent off at least once. Irrelevant if he wasn't. I don't recall mentioning any comment re scoring goals at any stage. I was being sarcastic towards the 'false pretence' bit. Granted, I agree with your captaincy comment. He does do it well, but in my opinion, to spurn what was reported to be a good contract offer from us, not get any response elsewhere, then get his manager to make out that he has been waiting for us to complete proceedings, all conjecture much like his pay packet just proves to me what a mercenary the prick is.Your opinion obviously
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Davros
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:32 pm |
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Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:42 pm Posts: 457 Location: Brisbane
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TONY64 wrote: we can do better then him anyway.  Who? And has to be for less than his pay including any sign on fee as we can't afford to buy anyone this summer.
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beggers
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:46 pm |
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Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:37 pm Posts: 1390 Location: Mermaid Beach, Gold Coast
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I'm not sure why there is so much animosity toward Lucas tbh. He's looking to secure the best deal he can, who wouldn't? Aren't Green and Upson doing the same thing? Can they fuck off as well?
Lucas has publically stated he wants to stay so he trys to get an extended deal on better dough, the club call his bluff, no harm done, why so aggressive? He's no different to any other player. Name me one footballer who's agent doesn't try and secure him a better deal? That's modern football. If you ostracize him for trying to improve his contact, then the same rationale would apply to every player.
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beex
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:00 pm |
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Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:12 pm Posts: 1196 Location: Brisbane
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beggers wrote: I'm not sure why there is so much animosity toward Lucas tbh. He's looking to secure the best deal he can, who wouldn't? Aren't Green and Upson doing the same thing? Can they fuck off as well?
Lucas has publically stated he wants to stay so he trys to get an extended deal on better dough, the club call his bluff, no harm done, why so aggressive? He's no different to any other player. Name me one footballer who's agent doesn't try and secure him a better deal? That's modern football. If you ostracize him for trying to improve his contact, then the same rationale would apply to every player. Wise words my shun 
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Tricky71
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:45 pm |
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Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:17 pm Posts: 644 Location: December 9th 2009
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I would love it if he stayed on for another season, he has been the best full back at UP for a long time IMHO.
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Westham5096
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:36 pm |
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Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:49 pm Posts: 870 Location: Adelaide South Australia
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Sorry you all but i think he is a mercenary and would prefer that he moved on anywhere else but at Upton Park.JUST MY OPINION OF COURSE.To me he is no better than the likes of Johnson,Defoe,Ferdinand,Carrick and so many more i might be deluding myself but would have thought Westham had treated Lucas more than fairly and OFFERED a contract slightly BETTER thsn the one he had but he thought he could do better elsewhere so i dont quite get this loyalty that you all want to show,maybe because he is an Aussie.
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beex
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:48 pm |
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Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:12 pm Posts: 1196 Location: Brisbane
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I would prefer someone else to be honest BUT I think Begs was right about him being no different to any other player these days, trying to get the best deal for himself. I changed my opinion about him from around mid last season. Cynics have said that his change in form was just to increase his worth to potential buyers. Dunno, maybe but I think probably not. He put in the hard yards for us and captained the side well last year (he had to with Behrami not covering his arse!) but if someone younger and pacier is being targetted, I'd prefer that and give the Captains armband to Matty or Scotty.
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Westham5096
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:58 pm |
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Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:49 pm Posts: 870 Location: Adelaide South Australia
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Get off that fence Beexie  ,dont really care about other players only care about Westham players, and how many times do we have to be SHAT on by theses players and believe me if an offer had come in for Lucas he was GONE.Im sure he will sign the new contract in front of him so i will live with him but FUCK he better have an OUTSTANDING season, and just on smaller note he should LOOSE THE CAPTAINCY.Has to go to Scotty cant go to Upson as he aint signed either,and no i aint happy with him either we resurrected his career.Just wish all this bullshit would stop the players that have contracts in front of them sign them or move on so we can all do the same,IDOLISTIC I KNOW. 
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illhavehalf
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:44 am |
Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:41 pm Posts: 340 Location: Adelaide
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Westham5096 wrote: Sorry you all but i think he is a mercenary and would prefer that he moved on anywhere else but at Upton Park.JUST MY OPINION OF COURSE.To me he is no better than the likes of Johnson,Defoe,Ferdinand,Carrick and so many more i might be deluding myself but would have thought Westham had treated Lucas more than fairly and OFFERED a contract slightly BETTER thsn the one he had but he thought he could do better elsewhere so i dont quite get this loyalty that you all want to show,maybe because he is an Aussie. Did not offer him a BETTER contract. Bet if you boss said "oh Paul, you can keep your job here but for half pay this year" you would be looking elsewhere to. Just your opinion my arse. You've never had one unless ive let you 
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Westham5096
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Post subject: Re: Should he stay or should he go? Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:11 am |
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Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:49 pm Posts: 870 Location: Adelaide South Australia
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illhavehalf wrote: Westham5096 wrote: Sorry you all but i think he is a mercenary and would prefer that he moved on anywhere else but at Upton Park.JUST MY OPINION OF COURSE.To me he is no better than the likes of Johnson,Defoe,Ferdinand,Carrick and so many more i might be deluding myself but would have thought Westham had treated Lucas more than fairly and OFFERED a contract slightly BETTER thsn the one he had but he thought he could do better elsewhere so i dont quite get this loyalty that you all want to show,maybe because he is an Aussie. Did not offer him a BETTER contract. Bet if you boss said "oh Paul, you can keep your job here but for half pay this year" you would be looking elsewhere to. Just your opinion my arse. You've never had one unless ive let you  [/quote Well you know that in fact i have worked at Bridgestone for the last 8 years and havent had a pay rise for the last 4 years and im not shopping myself around for another job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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